Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. 3 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. P. Note these are just tier names they have no real meaning here to go into a tier you have to look at all stats and feats and who you can consistently hang with----- True God. He. Dr. #4. Member. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. He. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Lucifer and Michael together are omnipotent. S. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Can Giratina save all of reality from his rage? Or will it die trying? Location: The Negative Zone Win by. Master-Tee • 2 yr. 66. Well even pre retcon beyonder. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. 0. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. High 3-A. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. English Branch All Mighty can knock out SK tier entities by casting flood and elder gods who hold back from accidentally destroying entirety of existence are sitting in his shadows, that's enough for both lucifer and beyonder. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Follow 12333. Current Beyonder Tier upgrade CRT and coverup. . Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. even characters like Doctor Doom, Spider-man were on God Tier using PRB Power. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. It's simple. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol. It’s not. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. And yeah he stomps. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Hi all😅 i want upgrade beyonder profile :) Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Btw- Is anyone going to give an actual reason why Beyonder wins, or is this battle gonna be judged on. the Elder gods should be top of their tier. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Forum Posts. One of the most controversial fights in various sites across the web, finally arrives here. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. M. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. . Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. Wiki Points. I can break this down into more detail. Beyonder scaled above all. And the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. Sorted by: 9. Nov 5, 2017. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they transformed Owen Reece into the Molecule Man. #1 quandaledingle. Gender: Inapplicable. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Beyonder trivially. However, the Beyonder is beyond (pun wholly, shamelessly intended) simply universe level+. The Scarlet King is a single universe outer God. After the retcon that wasn't the case. #1 KalKent1297. Nothing more. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". . The Beyonder himself has been described as infinite-dimensional in a far more reliable and explicit narration, and been referred to as only possessing power. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. 0. 0. ;. That's actually like a low showing for him. Reply. He may have to resort to starving. Sep 20, 2018. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. I/O, Demonbane, Cthulhu Mythos, Umineko, and Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou. 8 years ago. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. You need to be logged in to post comments. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. 3 years ago. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. Unwritten Leviathan are highly hyperversal, if not extraversal. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. First firament might exist before all the 8 creations but beyonder comes from different multiverse which treats the Marvel creation as a droplet of water . The Source - Primal Monitor, The universal spirit venerated by the New Gods, which resides beyond the Source Wall. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. The Watchers. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Alien X (author statements included). Beyonder and Thanos . The Beyonder tells "We're the real. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. )Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. ago. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. vs. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. 7 days to create the earth and heavens, vs instantaneous re-ordering of the cosmos. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve. Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. The Mage: Molecule Man: Round 2: The Mages are Marauders. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. Keenko. Beyonder is marvel. I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. island. These are characters that have all three omnipotent qualities. ''. 7. COIE Anti Monitor. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Special Conditions: None. I mean even Thor was cracking those versions, so unless the writers really wanted Beyonder-tier Thor I think it's pretty obvious that they weren't at 100% in those forms. Join this channel to get access to perks:…R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. Beyonder 73%. Dlaek66669; Thread;Business, Economics, and Finance. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. One shieldy boi. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. ago. 7 years ago. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. All Characters are at full powerView community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Rebirth Superman (DC) The both of them at their strongestBecause his existence makes cosmic tier debaters run from me in discussions. #36. Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. Follow 3209. Follow 41274. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was nothing compared to. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Origin: Marvel. Thirdeev. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Definitely Beyonder. . Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Universal. Random encounter. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. Named but mid-level Celestials. Bloodlust on. Thought Robot without any effort. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Tier: 1-B | 1-A Gender: Inapplicable Classification: Cosmic Entity Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Nigh Omniscience, Remote Mind Control, Reality Embodiment, Reality Condition, Physical Law Immunity, Reality Warping Weaknesses: None Notable Destructive Capacity: Beyond. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. If this. 6,016 2,373. here is a fight that involves. He still wins the fight imo . @divinemaster: seeing no one is making an argument For Pre Retcon Beyonder, i will play the devil's advocate. Share Sort by: Best. Oblivion hasn't done anything himself aside from Quasar, and in Quasar, he stalemated. Weaknesses. He would also be the main villain in. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. He beat the Living Tribunal. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Forums. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. That's actually like a low showing for him. Wiki Points. Summary. City. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence,. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. Both are in character. 664*10^25. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Pre Retcon Beyonder is non-canon Don't use that excuse unless you only want to use the inhuman/Mutant Beyonder. He was initially. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. Apr 8, 2018. . Almost any high tier character can beat him"Motion Carried!" ― Alien X Alien X is a sample of Celestialsapien DNA recorded in the Omnitrix that Ben Tennyson can utilize to take up the characteristics of a Celestialsapien. The first firmanent would be the only being who could challege beyonder in a fair fight . He beat the Living Tribunal. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Forum Posts. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. 14. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. Round 2: Franklin wins. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Beyonder 39%. A statement from Mephisto referring to that part of power as "so potenti is this. Manhattan. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. . True form DS power is unknown. #2. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. Multiversal. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Lucifer stomps. Edit: Darkest Knight and anti-crisis wonder woman probably also beat the beyonder, as they are empowered by the infinite crisis or anti-crisis energy (the fundamental good/bad energies of the universe, as provided by the presence. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. 2 years ago. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2, 2019; Tags aka beyonder (pre-retcon) marvel comics the elder scrolls 1; 2; Next. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Searching. Type Solar vs. -. To start us off: What about:In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. ProfessorRespect. By their logic, Twilight Sparkle solos about 90% of Marvel and DC. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. 1. It’s not. New Comics. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. 13 years ago@TheLegendary32 said:. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). u/nullfather can attest to that. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. #28 ovy7. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Also Beyonder obviously isn't mightier than TOAA virtue of TOAA literally being his author. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. S. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. Forum Posts. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Gen. xyrzrockrain. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Follow 1963. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". 0. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. They’re 50 tonners at most. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. Creaturemaster971. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Oblivion is more powerful than Eternity but not by much. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. The one below all (TOBA). The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. She isn't even the strongest female magic user, far from it actually. But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. . Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. 1 of 2 Go to page. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. Origin: Marvel Comics. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. This was obviously an insane level of power so he was eventually retconned to be weaker and also. Manhattan's league. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. Bait? 1 year ago. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. Older than the. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. K. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Your right about Oblivion shockingly.